Gold Lion: Grizzlies beat the Clippers 106-91
Mike Conley might not have responded well to the push Marcus Williams has been making for his job, but the Grizzlies certainly responded well to Conley's foul trouble, both with Williams and O.J. Mayo running the offense. The Grizzlies offense absolutely tore up the Clippers, shooting 54% from the field and getting to the line 19 times with 17 hits on those free ones.
After another big 3rd quarter push, just like against the Wolves, the Grizzlies took control and never even thought about looking back. Memphis has now won two in a row, and even if the Timberwolves and Clippers aren't exactly playoff teams, that's still something.
You can get more at Clips Nation, or hop over the jump for a longer recap.
Zach Randolph got dirty on offense, shooting great and passing effectively despite only earning one assist for that work. Rudy Gay and O.J. Mayo were just splashing every jumper they took, often open catch-and-shoots, a rarity for the Grizzlies. But again Marc Gasol stole the show on offense. Big Gasol was nearly perfect from the field, and he even dished six dimes. The high-post Gasol attack was on display tonight.
And while the offense definitely was the shining star in this game, the defense was pretty solid too. I actually liked what Zach was doing, how often do you see dude get four fouls? Not often, but he should try it more often. Craig Smith, a surprisingly decent offensive backup, got his buckets, but Zach protected the rim better than normal.
I even liked the bench out there. DeMarre's jumper was a little less crooked, and Hasheem Thabeet returned to look a little less goofy against the Clipper scrubs. Sam Young led the second unit again, but I thought he looked to pass a bit more than usual.
Rockness Monster: Marc Gasol might be the Grizzlies best player. He just keeps showing new moves and more vision every game this season. Last season Marc had definite limitations; he banged the boards and showed flashes of other skills. This year the younger Gasol is dangerously close to mastering the high-post.
U-Turn: Marcus Williams played better with the starters than he does with the subs. He clearly defers more often, and even though he shouldn't be shooting threes with that wonky jumper, Williams played well within himself. Look, he's still a terrible defender and seems to have no concept of when to push or slow things down, but results are results. And Mike Conley is terrible.
Bitter Limon: I bet you can guess... Mike Conley shoots 0-4 from the field, has 2 assists to 2 turnovers, and collects 5 fouls in just 16 minutes on the court. I didn't realize you could so much damage in so little time.
Sleeping With the Enemy: Well, Baron Davis certainly didn't do his team any favors, and nobody else bailed the Clippers out, as hard as Chris Kaman might have tried. Al Thornton might be out of the league in three years, and Rasual Butler got revealed as a product of Chris Paul like he was a Scooby-Doo villain. What else is there to say about this team? Without Eric Gordon, they're not very good.
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I have to admit:
I didn’t watch the game, but I’m trying to figure out some things such as:
Baron Davis not doint his team any favors and Al Thornton being out of the league in 3 years. Doesnt make sense when if I remember correctly, during the 2 quarters, Davis was the only Clipper with like 16 points and was capable of keeping the game close himself. Judging from the game stats themselves, Baron was 8-13 (23)with 5 assist ( 4 TOS) aren’t exactly bad statistics.
Then theres Al Thornton who went 4-9 with 10 points and 7 rebounds. Not great stats, but its not exactly like it can be that bad. It might actually expand when a different coach coaches him. Afterall, we have.. Mike Dunleavy. If you look around ClipperNation, we’re asking for the dismisal of Dunleavy. Anyways, point is, while Al wasn’t effective today (and most of this season), he’ll most likely still be on a team 3 years from now, considering the fact that guys like Gerald Green, and Luke Walton are all still signed. I mentioned Walton because the guy has his nights, but he isn’t really effective. Thornton can be MUCH more effective than Walton.
Luke Walton
Has a contract because he fits extremely well in a system. When I say play himself out of the league, that’s meant to be a distinct exaggeration. Someone will probably sign him, but he’s quickly regressed from being seen as: a key piece in the future, to a possible starter on a playoff team, to a project who needs time, and now is beneath Rasual Butler -traded for a 2nd round pick - on the depth chart.
As far as Baron, if you watched the game he missed 4 decently important FT’s and was constantly looking for his own shot. Yes, he shot well, but he just didn’t lead the team effectively. It was one of those games that stats don’t explain. I wouldn’t rip on Baron, one of my favorite players, unless it was deserved.
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by djturtleface on Nov 19, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Its really an intresting concept really
with Eric Gordon out, Rasual Butler incapable of hitting the threes without Chris Paul, Kaman wasn’t as effective as usual, and Thornton not being played enough, I felt as if Baron is being put as a scapegoat. Imagine how horrible the game would actually look had Baron been out and Sebastian Telfair was playing. The 15 point whopping we took from you guys would probably be even worse.
While Baron is forcing his own shots, if you’ve watched the Clippers during these past few games (UGH!), the main offense consist of Kaman going down low. Eventually defense picks it up and doubles him. Kaman doesnt have high basketball IQ and eventually it leads to a turnover. Its true that when Baron tries to do too much, he becomes ineffective and jacks up a ugly shot. But what can Baron do when Dunleavy wants to run isolation plays over and over and over and over and over and over again in the fourth quarter. Not Baron’s game. Baron is FORCED to play his own game, especially when there is no other versitile help.
Anyway, Thornton is starting to possibly find his grove. I have faith. I didn’t buy a Thornton jersey last season for no reason! I know, i know, this is because I’m a fan and I overlook and have faith in my players. But Thornton has shown flashes that if he doesnt force somethings, he can be very effective. As of now, I dont think much people even want Butler to replace Thornton at the starting lineup. Many of us is beginning to realize that Butler is just a product of Chris Paul.
Well anyways, our team is failing. I’m hoping Dunleavy fires Dunleavy as headcoach. But hey, if Dunleavy won’t fire him, can’t we just fire him at both positions and just use Lucas or Hughes at starting coach and find a more capable GM???
*btw I dropped a viewpoint
Luke Walton is HIGHLY overpaid. Almost everybody on that LAL team is overpaid. Also, Luke Walton seems to have had only 2 great seasons. After that, Luke is either a product of his father, or his one season where he was averaging 11 pts a game.
But really, he’s playing under Phil Jackson. Phil’s a great coach, but if Luke was on another team with a bad coach.. erm say LAC, man imagine what he’d look like.
I mean...
You plug Luke into the lineup and he plays on offense and defense for 10 minutes of the game. Is he overpaid? Maybe. Is he immediately replaceable at that price? Probably not.
On the other hand guys like Thornton and Rasual Butler would be a dime a dozen if they were three inches shorter. Their problem is that they don’t play within themselves or within the system (plus defense). A guy like Luke Walton knows he isn’t supposed to be a star, so he doesn’t try to be one.
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by djturtleface on Nov 20, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
Not completely true
I admit that Al Thornton does too much for himself, but I feel as if Rasual is a role player at best. He’ll have his nights, but he doesn’t plan to create his own shots the majority of the time the way Thornton or Baron does. Rasual seems to be more of a spot up, get open, have Baron create a good pass to him, and swish the three- type player. Not to mention that Rasual’s Butler isn’t too bad when it comes down to D. I would think that Rasual would adjust and eventually fit right into Phil Jackson’s triangle offense.
If we were to place Luke Walton into any other team with a decent (not great or good) coach, I think Luke would be averging garbage time minutes. He most likely wont even play everyday.
One thing that I found intresting still is that Lakers traded for Adam Morrison, but Shannon Brown apparently turned into the prize. Funny how that went isn’t it?
There should be a chant
That goes “who’s your Haddadi?” Even though he only plays 3 minutes every month.
by captainbojangles on Nov 19, 2009 4:22 AM CST reply actions
with all the attention
that has been paid to AI, Zach and our trio of rookies, Marc Gasol is quietly becoming the bright spot of the Grizz season. Even the anticipation for OJ’s sophomore season and Rudy Gay’s 20 pounds of muscle (although I still contend it’s more like 10-12) got more press than the improvement Marc made over the summer getting in shape and just becoming a better all around player. Keeping him around has got to be a priority. Marc with Zach is a formidable offensive front line.
I’m actually wondering if having the AI drama blow up might actually work to the Grizz favor – having gone through a painful period together, they can all come together and be happy that he’s gone, and the Grizz feel more like a team now. Zach has blended in well, and Marc rose to the challenge of the team drafting a center with their highest pick ever in the draft. If Conley can return to his form from post—all-star break from last year and/or Tinsley can come in and play an effective 22 minutes per game, we could see some real improvement over the next month or so.
by hueyproductions on Nov 19, 2009 8:29 AM CST reply actions
Point guard and defense are everything...
Lots of it is on Conley in my opinion. He needs to prove that he was worth not drafting Tyreke, already a lockdown defender.
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by djturtleface on Nov 19, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Marcus Williams
Marcus is a winner when given the opportunity to play- that is his history, unfortunately he upsets authority figures with the attitude THEY think he has (Marcus ALWAYS looks disinterested). I hope he continues to take advantage of any playing time he gets to try to impress the coaches- they are the ones who control his future!
Yeah, his attitude...
Is definitely hard for coaches to read. He does care about winning, but at some point he needs to show it too (a nice example is someone like Rafer Alston, who got the opportunity to use his unique skills once he showed that he was committed.)
I don’t see him as a long-term solution, but he could definitely play himself into a big role.
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by djturtleface on Nov 19, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
How to show commitment
Marcus is on a weight program and has a weight clause in his contract, he has comes from a good college program with a tough coach,and many alumni in NBA to get advice and help from. If the coaches give him a chance (unlike golden state and NJ) he will help this team win!

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