You're Twenty Deep: Analyzing DeMarre Carroll
DeMarre Carroll was a player in college at Mizzou. He was a legitimate college franchise guy; they built a team around him and he carried them into the tourney.
Nobody expected that kind of play out of him in Memphis, or anywhere in the NBA for that matter. DeMarre is a perfect example of the college tweener. He plays and works his ass off to make the best use of relatively limited natural abilities, but hard work isn't enough to make you a star in the NBA.
Even a guy like Gerald Wallace, who is admittedly limited in the more skill-centric facets of the game, has to go harder than anyone else in the league to make his incredible natural abilities work like they should. DeMarre Carroll has nowhere near the physical abilities of Wallace, but the working-man spirit is the same.
Now if you're going to evaluate a hustle player, where do you look? Rebounds and steals are traditionally known as "hustle stats." I personally don't believe that for a second, Carlos Boozer grabs mad boards but he's not exactly know for his dedication to the game. And steals are a tough read on this Grizzlies team; because the overall defense is tremendously poor, there are less tipped passes out there to get down and dirty chasing.
Still lets take a brief look at turnovers. It's alright to be fearful of small sample size, I suppose, but with DeMarre on the court the Grizzlies draw just as many turnovers as they do without him on the court. This probably means that Carroll is forcing some extra turnovers while replacing Zach Randolph, while being a little less disruptive on defense than Rudy Gay.
This point brings us rather quickly into the fact that DeMarre is being played out of position when filling in for Rudy. DeMarre cannot play small forward, he is only suitable as a power forward. Using 82games.com again today, it becomes obvious pretty quickly that Carroll is pretty horrendous at the small forward spot, with a PER of only .6 while playing almost 40% of his minutes there.
And that revelation makes DeMarre Carroll's role with the team going forward a little bit ambiguous. Darrell Arthur is a better NBA player than Carroll, and should be the Grizzlies backup power forward. That means Carroll's minutes are going to dry up in a month or two, unless the Grizzlies want to suffer him trying to figure out how to play tons of extremely inefficient minutes while out of position.
Moving back to his time so far, DeMarre has been a more than adequate sub. Data shows that the Grizzlies only play about 2 points per 100 possessions worse with him in, which isn't bad for a rookie substitute and a second rounder in most drafts. But would I rather have DeJuan Blair? Yes.
That's not to say DeMarre isn't putting in his work. To move away from the statistics, it's clear that he's giving it all out there. He brings lots of energy, but doesn't have the skill yet to become an impact player. Other teams happily allow the Grizzlies to run catch-and-shoot plays for him, and his driving layup is ugly, though he's willing to jump into a brick wall if it means getting to the line.
Twenty games in, DeMarre Carroll has given the Memphis Grizzlies everything they could have expected. He hasn't impressed, but he hasn't underwhelmed either. Carroll gets in, plays hard enough to make up for most of the skill gap, and happily takes the bruises that come with being the working-man.
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Blair
Man! That still bothers me that we didn’t take him. It was a steal, a need, best avaliable…
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by thegrowl on Dec 7, 2009 10:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Truth.
I mean I like Carroll, but how do you pass on Blair twice!
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by djturtleface on Dec 7, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is a bigger steal in the draft
before you saw how they’ve been playing in the NBA.
Deandre Jordan
Dejuan Blair
Jodie Meeks
by JackduhSun on Dec 8, 2009 1:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
DeAndre Jordan, by a landslide...
He is one of few players who legitimately have All-Star athleticism combined with a real desire to keep getting better and fulfill the “ridiculous upside”
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by djturtleface on Dec 8, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Blair is pretty close, but I just don’t think that he will ever become an every-day starter because of his limitations (a little short on athleticism, and height)
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by djturtleface on Dec 8, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, you have to admit
08 Clippers drafted very well with Gordon, Deandre Jordan, and Mike Taylor (I still feel as if he could be a solid player when he can control his handles.) But also, the real bad downside to Jordan is that he doesn’t really have any post moves working for him. The guy’s working hard, but he also needs to work harder on his free throw shooting. The more and more he plays, the more he looks like an Emeka/ Tyson CHandler type player. I mean they’re not bad comparsions considering they both went #2 in the draft.
Anyway, Memphis future sure is bright. But to me, it isn’t because of this years draft. Don’t get me wrong, Thabeet can be a defensive factor in the NBA, but like Jordan, Thabeet might be an even worse offensive player than Jordan.
Btw, could Jordan have been #2 if he held out longer in the draft?
Also, have you realized that much of our players are pretty similar? Gordon v Mayo. Gay v Thornton (although this one isn’t much of a comparsion.) Jordan v Thabeet. I wonder which 3 will be the better trio in the near future.
by JackduhSun on Dec 8, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think JYD will be a 20 pt scorer in the NBA but I think his D will keep him in the league for a good amount of time.
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by Evan Pfaff on Dec 9, 2009 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
His D is nice...
To have against stretch power forwards. He needs to improve against small forwards though, he’s just not quite quick or experienced enough.
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by djturtleface on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will improve
This kids a good player! He really needs playing time to sharpen his skills- when Arthur returns the D- league might be a good stop for him.
by Peterct on Dec 9, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree
He probably needs to be in the D-League for awhile if he’s not getting time here, although thats arguably even a step down from NCAA.
He’s going to be a good 12-16 minutes guy once he learns how to get his offense, which should really only be finishing on the break.
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by djturtleface on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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