Aftermath: Reconsidering the Scout Firings
It has been a tough week to be a Grizzlies fan. We've seen the giving away of Hakim Warrick's rights in restricted free agency, the firing of our entire scouting crew, and the realized that with the summer winding down the Grizzlies will likely be just above the salary minimum for next season. If you're a Grizzlies fan and NBA fan chances are your team is the running punchline in every forum and comment list. Getting hit with all this dispiriting news at once is borderline painful, in fact it was a PR nightmare.
But when we step back and look at the news a second time, some of it doesn't seem so bad. We needed to commit time for Darrell Arthur to grow since clearly the Grizzlies aren't in win now mode, and he looked good in summer league. Yes, we should have protected our asset since Warrick might have been solid trade bait, but I doubt we could have gotten much more than a backup point guard and 2nd round pick. And the scouting decision is beginning to make just a little bit more sense as more details emerge. The whole salary things is still a letdown, but lets focus on the positive. Come over the jump with me for some good news.
When I originally posted the Geoff Calkins "Scouts' honor, Grizzlies' cutbacks revealing priority" article it was only in the form of a FanShot. I didn't understand how much legs this story would have in the national media, otherwise I would have originally posted with a take on the matter. It didn't seem like that big of a deal in the information age from a practical standpoint.
Then the story got its legs, and as everyone else in media said, "Wow, well isn't this just representative of all Heisley's cost cutting?" and murdered the Grizzlies I was inclined to agree. I still agree that it's the perfect focusing event for Heisley's ownership on the cheap routine. But in reality it probably is not meaningful, with a day of thought I estimate that most people are only outraged because of the symbolism. And as Bethlehem Shoals pointed out over at The Baseline, it didn't help that it came in the form of a column instead of news from the beat reporter.
The watershed moment in this realization was Chip Crain's excellent second-take over at my favorite Grizzlies blog, 3 Shades of Blue. Chip knows a hell of a lot more than me about the front office work in Memphis, and I definitely respect his opinion on the matter:
Low and behold, Memphis is not alone in having a team devoid of scouts. Another penny-pinching, watch the bottom line team has no one listed as a scout on their team page. That scum sucking, cheap team that cares little for their fans (just like Calkins implied the Grizzlies are) was none other than the San Antonio Spurs. The same Spurs who managed to overcome that huge problem to locate such notable talents as Tony Parker in France plus Luis Scola and Manu Ginobili in Argentina.
Other teams with few or no scouts include Portland, Utah and Cleveland. Funny but I seem to remember all of those teams in the playoffs last season.
After doing a little of my own research, I found all three of these teams have just two domestic amateur scouts. So lets add to that list of players: the Jazz grabbed high-flying, master thief Ronnie Brewer in the mid-first round of a 2006 draft stocked with busts. They also stole near All-Star Paul Millsap from that year's second round. Portland managed to find Nicholas Batum, an athletic Frenchman who managed to short-minute start for their playoff team in his rookie season, the young sharpshooter and open-court phenom Rudy Fernandez, and Sergio Rodriguez over just the past few years. Cleveland hasn't exactly drafted lights out in recent years, preferring to surround LeBron with seasoned players, but they did discover Anderson Varajeo.
Am I saying that Memphis is going to instantly become a model small-market franchise like San Antonio, Portland, or Utah with this move? No, that would be just as foolish as overvaluing the importance of these scouts, which everyone seems to be doing. When the story broke on one Spurs message board, Black and Silver fans couldn't believe it and raved about the terrible conditions in Memphis:
They can't pay scouts who are infinitely more important to the team, considering they'll be in the lottery for next few years? Stern should really step in and have that team downsized after this season.
Exactly what i was thinking.
Wow, and I legitimately thought this thread title was a joke. Maybe they're hoping for a bailout to "stimulate the fans"?
Now I'm not trying to say that ignorance always correlates with 'stimulus package' jokes, but, FYI buddy, your team doesn't have dedicated amateur scouts either. I'm assuming he wants his bailout to come in tax break form.
The responsibility of scouts is to find talent other teams have undervalued or aren't aware exists. And if there were you would assume the players are international, which the Grizzlies still have a scout for. At this point in the information era I think we can agree that there are no teams completely unaware of a draft pick. Only around 75 players enter the draft each year for 60 picks. As far as undervaluing goes, every draft ends up being a crap-shoot, and it's questionable just how much voice the dedicated scouts really have in most team's front office since typically higher ups like the GM, President of Basketball Affairs, and others also assist in scouting. In Memphis's front-office, where it's becoming increasingly clear that even Chris Wallace is prisoner to Michael Heisley's whims, I'm going to guess the dedicated scouts had to shout to be heard. I'm infinitely more concerned with Heisley taking over Wallace's player evaluation duties than with them not having a circle of scouts to ignore.
Look I'm not going to deny that this is proof of cost-cutting representative of the entire franchise outlook, and I really wish the money we were saving was for a Tim Duncan max contract. It's not though. With our payroll the money saved is most likely going to the bank, which obviously isn't an ideal scenario for the fans. But count me fully aboard with Chip in the "We Have Marco Jaric on the Roster, So Let's Worry About Bigger Issues" party. This wasn't a bad move, it just broke at a bad time and in a bad way.
So what is the biggest issue at hand? The way I see it, Heisley really needs to be concerned with beefing up the public relations department. Lets hear your thoughts in the comments section.
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intresting thought
But in a real case scenario, not all teams have a mark cuban owner. From your take on memphis (mind the capitalization as I’m on my phone and its easier not to capitalize), grizzs ownership is probably one of the worse in the nba. At one point there was talks that that was clippers (Donald T. Sterling) owner was one of the worse because of his unwilling ability to spend on players. Maybe the story will play out for grizz’s ownership to actually sign a player.
My take is that grizzs could make an attempt past the MLE to try and sign iverson. With more money, iverson might be convinced that memphis really wants him there. Let’s also face it, iverson in memphis might actually put a few butts in the seats.
But boy, memphis foetune would have really turned had they gotten blake right? As of now, I’m quesation thabeets overall readiness in the nba. I’m hoping for thabeet to do well in the nba, but I seem to see a samuel dalembert type player i n him. To put it simply, 11pts 10 rebs 2-3 blks career average. I’m hopint the dream thabeet can polish up a bit on his post game and average 16-10-3.
Goodluck grizz fans! I’ve became a bit curious as how a team that consist of mike miller, eddie jones, pau gasol, battier, damon stod could turn to this. No offense please! But I always thought that if memphis were able to keep gasol, battier, and miller, they’d be better than…whatever wins they got last season.
Quick question for djturtleface: I’ve asked this before, but you might’ve missed it. Don’t need to answer of course, but, were you a grizz fan after they moved to memphis, or during the vancover days? Either way, cheers! We both seem to be rooting for a somewhat dysfunctional franchise.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
by JackduhSun on Aug 4, 2009 4:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
My fandom...
http://www.straightouttavancouver.com/2009/7/23/957306/big-bang-theory
That was the first thing I wrote when I moved over from Blogger to SB Nation.
Straight Outta Vancouver - The Memphis Grizzlies DO Still Exist
by djturtleface on Aug 4, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouts
Some things need to be clarified here. San Antonio has people who assist in scouting. They just aren’t given the title of scouts. Memphis has people who assist in scouting but they too aren’t classified as scouts. Calkins’ column suggests that the Grizzlies have closed up their scouting department. Nothing could be further from the truth. The “amateur” scouting department has been effectively shut down but that isn’t the same as saying that all scouting operations have ceased.
The reality is that most NBA teams are changing from individual scouts and individual workouts to group scouting combines that can be attended by the top level executives as well as a dramatic increase in film work and tapes on players. This too means individuals attending games is less important than in the past. The Grizzlies had more than 10 people last year contributing the scouting effort. Is that number neccessary to judge the potential of maybe 75 potential draftees?
Also, San Antonio has fired a number of ‘advance’ scouts this summer. These scouts prepare the team for upcoming games. Memphis has not reduced the number of advance scouts as yet.
The bottom line is that most teams are bleeding money and are looking for ways to control costs. It has been reported that more than half the teams in the league lost money last season. Memphis has the smallest market in the NBA and one of the least supported by that community. Naturally the team has to be more protective of every penny spent than teams in large markets that have great fan support.
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by chipc3 on Aug 4, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Chip
Well put, I think a lot of people out there didn’t really catch the facts on how many non-scouts are involved in the scouting process, especially in Memphis where our GM basically got where he is today as a talent evaluator.
I’m slowly but surely becoming more optimistic about Heisley spending in the future, although I still don’t appreciate him taking on personnel decisions when Chris Wallace has done a great job in the past.
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by djturtleface on Aug 4, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of the draft
I felt as if Memphis drafted the player that best fitted their needs. Lets face it, the inside game isn’t all that great for Memphis. For guards (and SF), you guys have Conley, Gay, and Mayo. Good young men with good game if you ask me. For C and PF, Gasol and.. Idk who. Just to put it in perspective, I didn’t see Marc Gasol as a long term starter for Memphis.
I mean clearly, there could have been more NBA ready players (ie. Harden, Evans, Flynn), but those weren’t the position in need for Memphis. Quick turn of question though: Wouldnt it have worked a bit better if Memphis traded that 2nd pick along with something else for a more established center? Possibly as someone mentioned in the fanpost earlier Amare? I would think that a team that consist of Amare, Conley, Mayo, and Gay would get them a bit past .500?
Btw, please don’t flame! It was just a random opinion.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
by JackduhSun on Aug 5, 2009 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Amare is healthy...
and that is a big IF, we had no chance of keeping him here after next season unless it was a sign and trade. And Phoenix would almost definitely require Gay or Mayo as part of that deal. Amare has pulled one major miracle with his comeback from microfracture surgery – I don’t know that I’m counting on another with the eye, which if you have noticed – Kerr has now twice said that it’s a bigger problem than they originally thought – once when the problem came up during the season, and now during the offseason when he’s supposed to be recovering. That’s two too many issues for me.
by hueyproductions on Aug 5, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol. Random trade suggestion.
Memphis needs an inside game, especially someone who can play some defense down low (opposite Zach Randolph). I guess the biggest hope is that Thabeet can be as good as Dikembe Mutumbo on D. Goodluck!
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
by JackduhSun on Aug 5, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course I meant at the time before the Randolph trade of course.
I have no idea how well Thabeet and Randolph can work together, but I would take a wild stab and say they would do just fine.
Mike Smith on Eric Gordon: "The Clippers may have found their go to scorer."
On a second note, I want Novak back!
by JackduhSun on Aug 5, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turtle
You’re becoming a legend, and given that you’re blogging about the Grizzlies with some of the more famous names killing Heisley as often as possible (I think he’s a scumbag but not because of the scouts issue), and you’re not doing so takes brass balls.
Kudos sir.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 8, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man
Greatly appreciated. It’s not easy to balance fanhood and honesty, fact and opinion, possibilities and probabilities, with the current state of this franchise.
Legendary status should probably be reserved for now though, I wish I had a bigger community. But look for lots of high quality stuff and some goofy stuff coming up to coincide with a major push around the net to build some community.
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by djturtleface on Aug 8, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody wishes they had a bigger community
Well, maybe not EVERYBODY. Comes with the territory though. It helps that 3sob is on the True Hoop network now, and it will also help that SBN is a nice format for anyone to participate in.
I remember the slower days of StR. You stick around, and you write worthy pieces (as you typically have done dating back to your brief blogger days—you can blame Skeets for that btw—only reason I know about Straight outta Vancouver), they will come.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Aug 9, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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