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The Market for O.J. Mayo?

Today I'm introducing Mark Travis, a new writer for the site. Mark's a basketball fan first -- not primarily a Grizz fan -- so he'll add something of a "contrarian" point of view that many would argue I lack at times. I know lots of people aren't going to love a first post on trading O.J. Mayo, but give it a shot. -djturtleface

When I spoke with O.J. Mayo this summer at the Team USA Basketball Mini-Camp in Las Vegas, Nevada, he seemed like a nice, down to earth guy with a passion for basketball. That's exactly the kind of player you want to be at the helm of your franchise for an extended period of time. The problem for O.J. is that he's on a team with three above average players (Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, and Zach Randolph) that all need looks and more often than not it seems like Mayo gets the short end of the stick.

On the season, Mayo is averaging the second most field goal attempts a game for the Grizzlies, but minor injuries have slowed the starts of Randolph and Gasol to this point and they will both likely be more aggressive and effective once they are 100% healthy. Additionally, Mike Conley seems like he is going to be shooting the ball a bit more this season based on his play during the first couple of weeks, which only takes more looks away from Mayo.

And with Conley running the point, there is no real flow when it comes to ball distribution. Conley's assist rate ranks 21st among point guards, which is in the middle of the pack, and he is only averaging four more assists a game than turnovers. With as many offensive options as the Grizzlies have, there is not a true need for a scoring point guard, just one that can hit three's at a good clip and has a great feel for the game when it comes to hitting his teammates where they like the ball and when they are hot.

Conley isn't that guy and it forces Memphis into some poorly organized offensive sets. Memphis is currently the sixth worst offensive team in the league when it comes to offensive efficiency, a stat that measures how well you manage your possessions, which is unacceptable for a team with this much offensive talent.

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So with so many other weapons and no real way to get maximum production out of Mayo because of the lack of a true point guard, the Grizzlies are best off dealing O.J., in my estimation. They have already committed a max deal to Rudy Gay, gave Mike Conley a big-time extension and will have to pay steller big man Marc Gasol a hefty sum as well, leaving little cap room to be used on Mayo.

So, if the Grizzlies were to deal, what could they get for him? Lets look and see:

Oklahoma City Thunder Receive: O.J. Mayo, Hamed Haddadi, DeMarre Carroll

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Jeff Green, James Harden

Jeff Green buys the upgrade from Harden to Mayo for the Thunder. Grizz send over a couple of cap fillers with Mayo while getting back a young scoring guard that has a lot of potential but does not need to be made a focal point offensively of yet as well as a young power forward that can replace Zach Randolph when he hits the market this summer. With Harden, Memphis would be able to manage their SG spot the same way the Thunder do now. They could start a defensive stopper with limited offensive abilities with Tony Allen and bring in Harden as their main offensive option with the second unit. Having Green next to Gasol instead of Randolph will give Marc more room to work in the post as Green is more of a stretch four, which will give Gasol a better chance of getting touches in the post.

Golden State Warriors Receive: O.J. Mayo, Hasheem Thabeet

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Monta Ellis

This offer was reportedly made last season but the Warriors turned it down. Ellis has looked a lot better this season, so there is obviously still incentive for the Grizzlies to make this deal, but Conley's extension means Ellis would be stepping into the same role Mayo was forced into and he's a lot more assertive than Mayo with his shot attempts, so that may not work out for Memphis. Still, there are few players as talented as Ellis and his ability to create, even though he prefers to shoot, is better than Mayo's at this point.

New Orleans Hornets Receive: O.J. Mayo

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Marcus Thornton, Quincy Pondexter, Marco Belinelli 

The Hornets have been desperate to make a move to get Chris Paul a wing man for the next few seasons and Mayo is a perfect fit. He can spot up, drive and is a quality defender. Right now, Paul has the Hornets at the top of the NBA with Marco Belinelli and Trevor Ariza spotting up on the wings and they are both shooting below 40%. With Mayo, Paul, David West, Emeka Okafor, and Ariza, the Hornets would have one of the most potent offensive starting fives in the league as well as a pretty good defensive unit. In addition to Thornton, who could be a sparkplug sixth man for Grizzles, the Hornets could offer youngster Quincy Pondexter, who looks to be a solid small forward down the line. Also, if Memphis could find a way to return some contracts to New Orleans, the Hornets could send over Peja Stojakovic's $14 million expiring contract.

Chicago Bulls Receive: O.J. Mayo

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Taj Gibson, James Johnson, Omer Asik

The Bulls need a wing scorer to put next to Rose in order to join the Celtics, Heat and Magic as an elite team in the East and Mayo will cost way less than what the Nuggets want for Carmelo Anthony. Gibson is a great young player that has shown flashes of a potential 20-10 guy once he gets his jumper going and is a very capable replacement for Randolph that knows how to play without a volume of shots. Johnson is a decent back-up small forward at this point and has shown flashes of a great defender and transition athlete to back-up Gay. Asik is more of a throw in to get the contracts to match but he has shown some skills and looks better right now than Hasheem Thabeet. With Mayo, Rose, Noah, Boozer and Deng, the Bulls would easily be one of the top teams in the NBA. They would need to make a move to get a replacement for Gibson (they can't live with just Kurt Thomas and Brian Scalabrine) but adding Mayo would be huge nonetheless.

Los Angeles Lakers Receive: O.J. Mayo, Hasheem Thabeet

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Sasha Vujacic, Luke Walton

I realize this trade will never happen but I had to include it because I have two on going theories: 1) If I suggest Vujacic/Walton as a trade package in every possible scenario it will eventually happen and 2) O.J. Mayo will be a Laker within three years. Mayo went to USC, is constantly working out there in the summers, has told me he loves the weather there and could have a chance to be the heir apparent to Kobe Bryant in LA. That's a pretty sweet gig, if you ask me. 

(djurtleface: I feel like the Grizz would HAVE to get back at least Shannon Brown and/or Lamar Odom to deal O.J. Mayo. They'll definitely want starting caliber players, not just salary cap relief)

There are clearly many other offers that could be made for O.J. and not all of these may be very appealing for Grizzlies fans. Mayo is very talented and if Memphis was to trade him, the return should show that. You guys may not think that Memphis should deal Mayo, but right now, he isn't a good fit for this team. The Grizzlies have already made a financial commitment to Rudy this summer and so far this season, he looks like a player that can lead this team. The best thing that Memphis can do with Mayo is to trade him for assets that fit better with the rest of their roster than having him be marginalized in Memphis. 

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Welcome Mark

Wouldn’t replacing Zach Randolph with Jeff Green be a huge downgrade? Green is constantly blasted for not being a true PF which is exactly what Randolph is. I’m out of market , so I can only read about the Grizzlies mostly, but Gasol isn’t exactly on caliber with Randolph offensively wherre you can just dump the ball into Gasol and have him create in the post (Gasol was mostly shut down last game against Portland.) Really, I think Gasol and Randolph maximize each others strenghts and I don’t think you can work a true inside out game with Gasol if the other PF is a stretch 4.

Further, if you are expecting Randolph walks (as you are in the first trade) why not trade Randolph instead of Mayo?

by Michael White on Nov 18, 2010 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

You make some good points.

But Randolph and Gasol both work in the 15-foot and in range and Gasol shoots a better percentage from that range. As far as trading Randolph instead of Mayo, while his $17 million expiring contract is an attractive asset, he will likely want a contract extension with his new and he’ll probably be asking for too much. Why would another team give up young talent for a one-year rental, especially when that player (Randolph) has been known to have character and chemistry issues.

by Mark Travis on Nov 18, 2010 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Randolph to Jeff Green not a huge downgrade I don't think...

I think that an active, “forwardy” 4 brings different things to the table. Would the Grizz be able to play their current isolation-heavy, offensive rebounding reliant style? No. But Green swings the ball much better, shoots from deep better, and plays much better defense even in the post.

That being said… I still like our chances with Z-Bo a little better.

Straight Outta Vancouver - The Memphis Grizzlies DO Still Exist

by djturtleface on Nov 18, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Cleveland would be a good trade partner.

Mayo + Haddadi for Boobie and Hickson.

?

would they swap Bobbie for Thabeet?

by xangoir on Nov 19, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

I didn't even think about Cleveland.

Man, that would be a nice scenario. Mayo could be the replacement for LeBron, or whatever you call the person that fills the hole left by the best player in the league, which is something that he wants. Hickson is a solid, solid player with all-star level potential and he’s looked excellent this year. Even better: his ridiculously cheap contract extends for two more seasons, giving Memphis some time to find the money for his extension down the road.

by Mark Travis on Nov 19, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

One big flaw with this discussion...

Your idea that OJ is an elite player is incorrect. He is an undersized 2 guard who can’t defend. He isn’t great at beating his man off the dribble either.

The Griz have to play inside out to consistently win. Randolph and Gasol are the keys to the team offensively. And ZBo should be option #1. Mayo is and should be the third or 4th option on this team. His value is in transition and as a shooter.

I disagree about Conley. He’s is playing at a pretty high level right now. He understands now that he is quicker and can get to the hoop on a consistent basis…that is why his shooting attempts have gone up. He runs the offense well (only person on the team that can run the offense) and plays the passing lanes well.

Also, IMO, the Griz don’t need a ‘stretch’ 4 if they have to replace ZBo…they need a defensive minded rebounder. They get killed when Randolph isn’t in the lineup on the boards. I would however jump all over the trade for Monta Ellis…he is WAY better than OJ at this point.

by JTG322 on Nov 19, 2010 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

When did I say O.J, was an elite player?

As far as Conley goes, he is getting to the rim less this season (just 2.8 attempts at the rim per game compared to 3.6 from last season) and his three-point shooting is down to 29%. Overall, he is shooting just 41% from the field. Which one of those numbers indicates that he is playing at a high level?

by Mark Travis on Nov 19, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

So you believe a non-elite player should be at the 'helm' of the Griz franchise?

You implied that he was, calling for him to be the focal point of the franchise…I always thought you had to be an elite level player (or at least an All Star) to be at the helm…I guess you don’t believe that.

Also, Conley is averaging career highs in points, assists, rebounds, steals, and minutes…I would call that a high level. I understand this in only 13 games into the season but if you watch him play, he has shown marked improvement at running the team.

by JTG322 on Nov 20, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

When did I say that O.J, should be at the helm of the franchise?

Again on Conley: He’s only averaging a career high in points because he’s taking a career high in shots per game. 13 shots a night to score 14 points while shooting 41%? That’s not in any way good. The fact of the matter is that he’s missing more shots than ever and an increase of two assists per game doesn’t cancel that out. Neither does his unsustainable steals rate.

by Mark Travis on Nov 20, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahem...

“When I spoke with O.J. Mayo this summer at the Team USA Basketball Mini-Camp in Las Vegas, Nevada, he seemed like a nice, down to earth guy with a passion for basketball. That’s exactly the kind of player you want to be at the helm of your franchise for an extended period of time”

Also, so Conley’s points/assists/steals aren’t sustainable but his slightly lower shooting percentage is…No way he could possibly shoot better throughout the year…got it.

by JTG322 on Nov 20, 2010 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice try,

but look at the qualities listed above the statement you bolded. “nice, down to earth guy with a passion to basketball.” Those are the qualities I think a player at the helm of your franchise should have. I never said a single thing about him being an elite player or that he was or should be at the helm.

Again on Conley: Never has anyone tried to argue for him as hard as you have. I never said his points/assists weren’t sustainable. They certainly are. But they’re also not very impressive. His steal rate isn’t sustainable because steals are a fluky stat.

by Mark Travis on Nov 21, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Grizzlies Nuggets????

Conley+gasol for Lawson+j.r. smith+nene

what do ya think bout that one

by p a on Nov 20, 2010 1:29 PM CST reply actions  

No way.

The upgrade from Conley to Lawson is not worth the downgrade from Gasol to Nene. Plus, J.R. Smith is just an awful fit for this team. A chucker with big-time character issues. Throw in the fact that his shot is no where to be found and there’s no reason to take that risk.

by Mark Travis on Nov 20, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

you must be crazy

you’re asking for too much…..nba teams know he will be gone after this season …they know you want something back in return…….and are not going to cut their whole bench or starters for mayo.

you’ll get some picks …maybe some cash….an average player….maybe some expiring contract…but you won’t get 3 players for just one guy… it’s just not worth it.

by Chiko on Nov 20, 2010 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

Clearly, these deals would not be the final offer.

Other contracts will have to be thrown in the deal to get the salaries to match and other draft pics would be involved as well.

by Mark Travis on Nov 21, 2010 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Nets Fan here

How about Terence Williams ($2.2 million this year, 2 years left on his rookie contract), a 1st round pick, and $3 million for Mayo? If not T-Will, how about Anthony Morrow ($4 mil/year for 3 years)?

Critical Success!

by Ammar on Nov 25, 2010 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

The proposed Lakers trade made me laugh out loud

Mayo and ‘Beet for the dregs of the Lakers bench? I understand that the point is economic flexibility, not talent, but still… you’d give up two youngsters with potential for the two worst players on the Lakers? What, giving them Pau wasn’t enough? (of course I realize his bro turned out to be good)

Maybe I’m biased because my favorite team is in the same division as the Lakers. Speaking of which, as a Warriors fan, don’t get your hopes up about the Monta Ellis trade… Our front office didn’t pull the trigger last season, at a time when many Warriors fans wanted that deal. It makes even less sense now, with Monta playing like a beast, and Mayo getting demoted.

No relation to Matt Cain...

by Caine Black Knife on Nov 29, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

from a knicks fan and a sometime lurker here...

would you take wilson chandler off us for oj?

Victory goes to the courageous!!

by PTfromRP on Dec 4, 2010 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

Bobcat fan...

Thabeet and Mayo for S. Jackson…Good deal for both teams in my opinion. Thoughts???

by kittylover on Dec 19, 2010 1:07 AM CST reply actions  

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