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Bulls 104, Grizzlies 64: Pseudo-Philosophical Musings on a Loss

So I didn't watch the game last night because I had to catch a coach early this morning. However, before I left, I snuck a peek at the game thread and was surprised to see a 40-point loss. Normally, I'd just skip the game in this situation, but I was going to write a recap so I kind of figured that I had to. At first I spent the long drive home dreading spending two-and-a-half hours watching a humiliating defeat, but after awhile I started thinking about my relationship with losing in sports.

Oddly enough, the teams that I gravitate towards are really bad, often historically bad. Weird as it sounds, I like losing! I enjoy rebuilding! It's fun for me. Take the Cubs as an example. They're a team with a long and impressive history of failure. In 2008 they were one of the best teams in baseball during the regular season and looked like sure-fire contenders. Yet, once they reached the postseason, things fell apart. In Game 1 of the NLDS, the Cubs gave up a Grand Slam. Game 2, was somehow worse. The Cubs lost 10-3. Moreover, every infielder committed an error, the first time that feat had been matched since 1927. This wasn't a simple loss; it was failure on a grand scale.

Star-divide

I can't explain exactly I'm so fascinated by losing. Maybe it's because I studied English as an undergrad, and most literature is inherently depressing. Regardless, I believe there's a certain aesthetic beauty in failure. After all, can't there be such thing as a beautiful loss, and if so, does it have to follow the cliched Hollywood formula of a plucky underdog unexpectedly pushing a champion to the limit ala Rocky? Isn't the Nets' near historic failure in 2009-2010 compelling?

I don't mean to sound like a dick to fans of downtrodden franchises, but, more often not, your team is at its best when it's at its worst. The moment a team like the Hawks or the Mets go from being terrible to being mediocre is the moment when I lose interest and immediately abandon ship.

Unfortunately, it's different with the Grizzlies. I can sit in my tower and admire the Timberwolves and Oakland Raiders of the world from afar, but it's not so simple with Memphis. I didn't starting following them because they were bad--in fact, they were a playoff team when I started watching them in 2003-2004--rather, they were geographically close and I liked their players. So I have a vested interest in the Grizzlies, whereas my only interest in the Cavaliers is when they're losing. This is why a 40-point drubbing that would be fun for me were it any other team isn't. After the Indians' multiple near-misses at a championship in the 90's, my dad, who grew up near Cleveland and even saw Bob Feller pitch, quit because it was too much heartbreak even for an Indians' fan. I'm nowhere close to that point yet, but God, it's depressing when you have to deal with one of these games.

The Grizzlies were terrible last night, and now having watched the game, there is nothing positive I can say about our performance other than that it looks like Zach Randolph's injury appears to be not as bad as we feared. I wouldn't listen to the shrieking heads over at ESPN and count us out yet, but we're not exactly made of adamantium either. I believe this team can still make a deep playoff run, but they need to get their shit sorted out quickly. If that requires a trade, so be it. Regardless, Memphis needs to regain the urgency that they played with last season. Cliche as it may sound, the reason why the Thunder and the Bulls are so good is because they play every game like it's their last. I'll be interested to see how respond to this failure the next time out.

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Awesome.

The best way to describe last night’s game: nothing positive.

by TLorenzo on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

That sense of urgency is EXACTLY what has been missing! I fear their newfound popularity and playoff run last year gave the Grizz a sense of arrogance. I live in northeast Arkansas about an hour from Memphis and adopted them as my hometown team when they moved from Vancouver…. Lots of bad years… With that being said….
Last night blew my damn mind. Not only were they without urgency, Sam Young was the only guy that seemed to have any pride. They fully accepted the asskicking they received before the first half was even over. I remember last year when the Grizz would have a double-digit defect at half time, I would tell my friends “they’ll come back…” , and they would come out and dominate the second half to make up for their slow start. It makes me wonder about their chemistry with the new editions. Were the critics right about Gay’s effect on the flow of the offense? Probably too early to panic but I’m not ready to go back to being a fan of a cellar-dweller, so yes, they do need to get their shut together! Sorry, this is one of my only outlets for NBA venting.
#freeHaddadi

by peytont on Jan 2, 2012 1:12 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

I'm not gonna go there.

I think that this was a game where we were probably going to lose anyways, but I think all the heart and fire off this team was stripped when Randolph went down. It didn’t look like Conley tweaking and ankle, or even Rudy shooting one handed free throws. It looked bad. Real bad. I honestly believe the guys thought they had lost their leader and played the last three quarters feeling sorry for themselves. There was no grind, and the only grit was from the dirt we tasted on the ground. Hopefully, after this humiliating drubbing and knowing ZBo isn’t as hurt as we thought he was, the team will come out and respond big time on Tuesday. If not, you will see this cat visible pissed in section 106.

Great recap by the way. You guys have this site on a whole nother level from last year.

It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.

by thenightstallion on Jan 2, 2012 6:57 PM CST reply actions  

Appreciate it, nightstallion

It really helps having the SOV community around. As Hubie Brown said, “The Memphis fans are smart and they know as much as about basketball as anybody. You can’t fool them.” I think we see that here.

"Sasha [Vujacic] has no conscience. He'd shoot at a funeral." -Charles Barkley

by ForeignFlopper on Jan 3, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

losing philosophy

I won’t generalize for all sports but for NBA I feel like you are either watching 1) college allstar team (typically what Memphis fields) 2) a couple NBA tier 2 players with college allstars 3) a real NBA team.

Memphis was in the #2 realm with Pau Gasol. After his trade we were simply one of those college all-star teams that is fun to watch and sneak a win but never expect them to be consistently good. Now last season I think we poked into 3 category. AMAZING!!!!!!

This season I’m seeing realm 2 with Gasol and ZBO as our NBA tier 2 players and then a bunch of college allstars around them. Then you take out ZBO and we’re Marc Gasol with a bunch of college allstars.

It can be painful to watch.

by xangoir on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

I refuse to believe that we arent going to be as good as last season. Mike Conley, Darrell Arthur, and Xavier Henry aren’t ‘A’ list superstars, so the media/analyst tends to downplay their importance to this Grizz team. Zach and Mike will cone back (hopefully) and return to old form. We still dont know what we will get from Henry. Rudy Gay is amazing, although he didn’t show it in Chicago when we needed him the most. In my opinion, this is one of the truest TEAMS in the NBA. They all click together and play great, or they all play at an abysmal level. They feed off of each other. Lebron doesn’t need Bosh or Battier to play well to the extent that Gay needs Zbo, Conley, Gasol etc to play well. The Grizz are in LAST place in the west right now… Nowhere to go but up!

by peytont on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'm with you peytont, even after the loss, I'm still optimistic

The other day I was thinking about playoff teams in terms of tiers, and this is what I came up with:

Tier 1—Sure-fire contenders: Bulls, Thunder, Heat
Tier 2—Possible contenders: Mavericks, Grizzlies, Celtics, Lakers, Spurs
Tier 3—Enigmas: Clippers, Knicks
Tier 4—Playoff Fodder: Pacers, 76ers, Hawks, Magic, Trailblazers, Nuggets

In all probably, the Finals will feature two of the teams in Tier 1. Tier 2 has an outside shot at winning, but the team will need to get a favorable match-up and, frankly, they’ll need luck on their side as well. I’m not sure about the Tier 3, so we’ll wait until farther in the season to classify them. Tier 4 is pretty much first-round fodder. A trip to the 2nd round is the best-case scenario for them.

Thoughts

"Sasha [Vujacic] has no conscience. He'd shoot at a funeral." -Charles Barkley

by ForeignFlopper on Jan 3, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

the heat are toast

Someone in the East is going to expose their depth in the playoffs. I bet they get crushed by the Hawks or Bulls.

by n8dogg606 on Jan 3, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes but what I like most are the “NBA teams”, which in my fantasy definition the Pacers, Hawks, and Nuggets meet that criteria regardless of supserstar power. I definitely hope Grizzlies show they belong there throughout January. Contenders or not, I will be excited if they just show they can be a great team again. It is complicated so far to see it.

And although the Heat will be contenders I view them as a #2 (couple SUPERSTARS surrounded by college allstars and extreme has-beens).

by xangoir on Jan 3, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

to me

this team reminds me of the ‘04 Pistons in terms of there being real star power, but lacking the Kobe/Rose/James superstar power. However, they aren’t playing to that kind of potential and they don’t look like they are going to any time soon.

So I have to wonder if Hollins is really a poor head coach. Gay sat on the bench and watched the entire end of the season and playoff run. Surely he learned something about what it takes to win, and the strengths and weaknesses of the team. Surely he had many unpleasant months off to think about strategy and how to up his defense. But here we go with him dribble dribbling around thinking about nothing but how to get his 25 points and 8 rebounds per game. He doesn’t have a lick of grit and grind yet.

Or how about TA still thinking he is MJ instead of doing what he does best to disrupt the flow of the opposing team?

Why the mind games with OJ and Young?

This is the kind of stuff that gets smoothed out quickly by a good coach. We’ll see if they muster up some energy tonight or I will start to be very very worried about this season.

by n8dogg606 on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

true

I haven’t thought about OJ and Sam much, but they are both inconsistent due to unclear roles and inconsistent court time. TA is playing decent defense, but not the kind that got him all-defensive team honors last year. He’s probably my favorite Grizz, but I’ve been cringing lately every time he touches the ball in a half-court set. Truth is, we probably need to part with one of our shooting guards for a serviceable backup big.
Who would you guys part with? OJ, Sam, Henry, TA? You probably wouldn’t get much back for Henry or Sam. Our depth issues lead me to believe that we are going to be seeing increased Haddadi time. Could be interesting…

by peytont on Jan 3, 2012 2:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

sorry for the self-promotion but...

http://www.straightouttavancouver.com/2011/12/31/2672659/what-i-want-in-the-new-year-another-big-off-the-bench

To recap: I’d like to trade Sam, but OJ has the most value so he’s the most likely to be traded.

"Sasha [Vujacic] has no conscience. He'd shoot at a funeral." -Charles Barkley

by ForeignFlopper on Jan 3, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

you right

I think they wanted to trade OJ too but after Arthur went down teams viewed us as desperate and only gave crap offers back. Tillery said that in one of his pieces.

by xangoir on Jan 3, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Completely. Disagree.

Lionel is a really good head coach. Top 5 in the league? Probably not, but he is a really good coach. He is the one responsible for installing the grit and grind defense to this team, not Tony Allen. Its early in the season, young teams tend to take a while to get things all figured out, even if they have played together for a while. We’ll be fine.

It was a particularly small egg...thats why I asked.

by thenightstallion on Jan 3, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know shit about basketball

I can barely keep up with strategy, spacing, rotations, defensive styles etc. I just love the game.

Hollins seems real stubborn though. Surely he sat down with Pargo and said “hey kid look, guarding D Rose is a litttttle different than guarding Kyle Lowry. So here are the adjustments you need to make…”

If our team is shooting 16% from the 3pt line SIXTEEN PERCENT as a team, then why not let OJ in there to make it rain and see if actually making a shot or two can catch on with the rest of the guys?

I’m not sitting on the bench, but all the boo birds (looking at you crazy Commercial Appeal trolls) say he is always subbing out the hot hand inappropriately and playing favorites.

by n8dogg606 on Jan 3, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Hollins a lot

First he created a good offensive system (ironic considering he replaced “offensive guru” Marc Iavaroni) and then he made us into a pretty good defensive team.

Plus, with the exception of OJ, he’s got a strong record of developing talent.

That’s a good coach in my book.

"Sasha [Vujacic] has no conscience. He'd shoot at a funeral." -Charles Barkley

by ForeignFlopper on Jan 3, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks like Henry and a pick gone to Sixers for Speights!

by peytont on Jan 4, 2012 1:01 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

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